Sanitarium wrote:
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Congratulations to you and your wife.
-Sani
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Sanitarium wrote:
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I think you disqualify a lot more of the ahadith than I would. But that's okay. Its your religion and not mine.
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Sanitarium wrote:
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I don't agree with your interpretation of 4:129; although my opinions are based on the tafseer's as they are more knowledgeable about Islam than I am.
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Sanitarium wrote:
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Kathir shows that Allah Knows you cannot treat your wives equally (justly) in matters of love and affection;
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Sanitarium wrote:
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but if you treat them equally in other regards (that you have power over) then Allah will forgive you the favouritism you showed to one/some wives over others.
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Sanitarium wrote:
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Justice in 4:3 only regards to the Mahr and support for wives you already have (in my opinion and Bukhari hadiths).
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Sanitarium wrote:
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We don't agree on these issues I know; but I can see your point of view and it is a valid interpretation (negating the hadiths).
-Sani
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34 And when Esau was forty years old he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Basemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite.
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9 And Esau went unto Ishmael, and took, besides the wives that he had, Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebaioth, to be his wife.
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7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8 and I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added unto thee such and such things.
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10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
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Sanitarium wrote:
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Ahmed: I know I included it as an EDIT in my previous post, but could you please address the Allowance that appears after the "...Marry only one." in 4:3?
How does the allowance "or a captive in your right hand" fit with your interpretation?
Thanks
-Sani
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Sanitarium wrote:
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My understanding is that Men would marry orphans to gain control (or joinr ownership) of their wealth/possessions,
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Sanitarium wrote:
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and use that to support their other wives (up to four),
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Sanitarium wrote:
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or were marrying orphans, so they could pay them a "less Mahr"; ie. less than they were entitled to.
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Sanitarium wrote:
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If the hadith are corrupt, then why would they bother to mention 4:127 in many of the same hadiths we find the explanation of 4:3? I mean why would they explain them together?
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Sanitarium wrote:
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I hope you can see why I believe in my interpretation?
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Sanitarium wrote:
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So you acknowledge that my interpretation may be right?
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Sanitarium wrote:
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I just want to know that you can see my interpretation as being valid in light of the evidence we have.
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Sanitarium wrote:
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(ie. I'm not just making this up to make islam "look bad"). I am one to look at all the information,
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Sanitarium wrote:
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whether it contradicts my own belief or not, and decide from there. You have certainly given me some things to think about though!
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Sanitarium wrote:
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Glad to hear it! I am very glad to find a muslim who (a) knows what they believe and why (b) is able to explain without having to give a url to someone's webiste or a Dr. Naik video! This is no deliberate slur on muslims at all; I find however that most of them are only used to parroting what others say, and not looking into it themselves. Not to say these other sources are wrong; I just don't see why they don't pick up a Quran themselves, you know?
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Sanitarium wrote:
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The solution is to marry other women (than orphans) or a Right Hand Possession.
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Sanitarium wrote:
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how did they take your interpretations?
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Sanitarium wrote:
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I need some time to think about it. Decisions and opinions formed hastily can come back to haunt you. I would rather take some time to think about your interpretation (if you don't mind)?
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Sanitarium wrote:
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Wasn't Muslim a student of Bukhari? Or do you have issues with their validation of Hadiths (ie. contradictions to the Quran negate inclusion)?
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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Ok, but verse 4:127 is already telling us about those orphaned WOMEN whom we want to marry while not giving them their dowry, so why you think verse 4:127 applies to 4:3?
Why also you don't think that 4:3 is talking about marrying single mothers who have children?
cheers
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fudgy wrote:
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ok thnx for pointing out 4:127, see Quran explains itself.
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fudgy wrote:
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I guess that too falls in the category of taking care of orphans.
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fudgy wrote:
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What I am trying to get is that the whole notion seems to be something that should benefit the orphans.
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fudgy wrote:
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If it was a general thing it could have been just mentioned separately.
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fudgy wrote:
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Also, Quran turns around and claims that its not that you will think your not treating your wives justly it simply is that you can't, which is evidently true. And if your wife doesn't really approve you of marrying another wife then I don't see how you can be just to that particular wife either. All in all, although marrying up to 4 wives do seems to be allowed it is restricted to the point that it's nearly impossible for you to overcome the restrictions.
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fudgy wrote:
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Have a look at Khalifa's translation of 4:3, it''s kind of different than others.
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Rashad Khalifah has been dismissed for life from my books, not that everything he alleged is wrong, in fact many of what he said is true, however due to the many lies he also said, all his work must be dismissed even the good one, it is the same as I treat the hadith or any allegation from any person for that matter, the same bloody criteria Bukhari himself used, that if a person talks crap (once) then that person must be dismissed regardless any right been said, I took it from Bukhari and I apply it not just upon people, rather upon any source being human or not, if it talks crap, then the whole source must be dismissed, and guess what, the man made books of Bukhari Springer hadith and its likes are full of crap, therefore the whole source MUST BE DISMISSED even if many of it is compatible with the Quran.
Salam
- Wed 17 Jun, 2009 5:00 pm
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Hello, Ahmed
I have a comment to make about understanding Qur'aan.
I would not even go to Arabic here. I would like to refer to those people, who were non-Muslims but they read simple translations of qur'aan thoroughly and what did they do?
They embraced Islam.
They understood the message because they read it all.
On the other side, we have people, who read a line and start debating. I consider that silly. They do not realise that there are sections with each Surah.
Just take the example of Yusuf Islam (Cat Steven). He just read it, after his brother tossed him a copy of an English translation given by some of his friends in Morocco or some place.
The point is that people do not read.
Salaams
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